Sunday, February 03, 2013

Must not diss veggies

Wootan says advertisements probably play a big part in America’s sports-fueled junk food obsession. This year, Taco Bell, promoter of the Taco 12-pack, even panned veggies in a Super Bowl ad, sneering that bringing “veggies on game day is like punting on fourth and one—it’s a cop out—and secretly, people kind of hate you for it.”

The fast food chain later pulled the ad and apologized after the CSPI and hundreds of people on Twitter protested that the last thing healthy fruits and vegetables need is to be the subject of attack ads.

“We love vegetables,” said Rob Poetsch, a spokesman, in a statement issued by Taco Bell. “In fact, each year we serve our customers more than 45 million pounds of tomatoes, 122 millions of pounds of lettuce, seven million pounds of onions and 412 thousand pounds of cilantro. When we realized the ad was misconstrued, we sided with the vegetables and pulled it.”


Eskimos living on a traditional diet eat practically no veggies.  Why?  Veggies don't grow well at the North Pole.  Yet at any given age Eskimos have less heart disease (etc.) than do most others.  So the importance of veggies is basically an Old wives' Elderly Person's tale.

Incidentally, the people who are called Inuit in Canada are called  Eskimos in Alaska

Posted by John J. Ray (M.A.; Ph.D.).


Doom said...

As someone who, as a general rule (I simply will not diet), believes in paleo nearly all the way, and honestly doesn't think fruits and vegetables are required, I still wouldn't completely go without them, on a personal note. I simply don't believe in, what, 40 servings a day or whatever ridicules notions they try to push. Perhaps women and children do need them, but if they are out of a can, I'm not sure they are getting anything from them. I would say 40 servings... a year... but make them fresh when you cook them or just skip them.

My problem with completely basing something on the innuit/eskimo diet is that, while they obviously don't eat veggies, they also eat a nearly pure fat diet for parts of the year, something others have been found to be completely unable to tolerate. It sounds good. I love me some tripe menudo soup, but pure tripe or blubber or such, without anything else? I'm not even sure they heat it!

If an eskimo/innuit went cannibal, would they hunt at Lane Bryant? And, does human fat resemble that of an otter or small whale or whatever? Never mind, just woke up and my mind is... grasping at BIG straws.

Don Moore said...

Key to a healthy diet, for anyone:

High saturated fat (*saturated* is key, it's what we're partly made of).

Very low to no processed carbohydrate (chemically it equals pure sugar).

Low to moderate natural (low glycemic) carbs, including veg.

Moderate protein (because excess protein - easy to overconsume - is processed into glucose/sugar = insulin response = stealth fat storage).

Fiber is overrated.

Doom said...


I actually disagree to a degree. I think some people do better on varying diets. Unless you've really tried some of the variances out, it's difficult to know. Some guys really do much better on higher carbs. I'm just not one of them, and know this for a fact. If too, most guys do better on higher protein.

Most people don't work out, then monkey with their diets, as scientifically as possible (some of it is based on 'feel', some of it on actual measurable parameters). Spend a year or two actually figuring that out. But a one size fits all diet just isn't true. Or, I don't believe so from doing the above in a group. And all men, so I don't know what works for dames.

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Don Moore said...


Let me try this again...

You're very likely right, at least from young adulthood up through the 30s, in most cases. Past that point, though, I'd lean toward the diet I (try to) follow as being healthier, as the body's demands gradually become very different than when one is young. I've followed it pretty regularly and seen ALL my bloodwork numbers improve drastically from where they had been (which was quite bad).

In any case, HG carbs and excess protein do spike insulin. The older we get, the less resilient we are and so the less able to burn it off. That's where the damage begins in earnest.

There are variables in everything, I'll give you that. One has to test all things for himself, but I'll swear by low glycemic for anyone's health. Too much insulin for too long a time is self-destructive for anyone.

Doom said...


Fair enough. I haven't... re-evaluated my diet since the mid 80's. I have been in... a very bad state, a misdiagnosed heart failure thing (they thought it was depression due to my young age(?)). I am sort of, now with meds, waking up to a whole new paradigm after 25 years of... blank. I'll... take a look at that notion though. Thanks for the additional thoughts.

Rumple Stiltzskin, was it? Bleh...


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